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and MJ and everyone so hello and uh okay

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why don't we bring our guests oh yeah

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well Jason McLeod is a paranormal

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investigator spiritualist and empath is

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the last 28 years helping individual

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who linger in their lives and then human

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spirits he ruined them his training and

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experience began by following in the

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footsteps of his close personal friends

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and mentors the late ed Warren and his

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wife Lorene best-selling authors

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demonologists Luba consultants who

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started the modern ghost hunting craze

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that drives today he conducts engaging

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presentations on the subjects of

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paranormal investigation in Eamon ology

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was the third question and I said I

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believe it is interested well welcome

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you know

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aboard and basically that was what I

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call the universal law of intention

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sitting with my friend Lou saying it'd

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be so cool to work with them yeah no

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kidding and then with the universal law

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of conscious manifestations that totally

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have that happen instantly and that's

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you know nothing like that has ever

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happened to me before but it's all about

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synchronicity and things don't happen in

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your life by chance it's all

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synchronicity when you're ready for it

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when you make the intention known to the

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creator of all things

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then if it is something that is meant to

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be that if it's meant for you then

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you're going to get involved in that

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that was pretty much I just you know was

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totally enthralled by the whole thing

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and you know that Monday night class is

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pretty much it was probably 10 15 people

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sometimes 20 from all over Connecticut

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who were very serious people interested

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in exploring this phenomena and I was

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blessed to be able to be a part of that

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and of course Andrew Thompson was there

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and he was almost as sensitive as

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Lorraine I dare say almost equally

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sensitive but when get into what psychic

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abilities are and how they function but

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other people there of course their

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nephew John Zaffis of course way back

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back in 1989-90 and serve all other you

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know very interesting investigators who

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I'm still in contact today in fact we're

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I'm discussing recreating one of the

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cases that was actually absolutely

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pivotal as far as my own understanding

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and my very first psychic experience

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together but we have to consider whether

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or not you know we're going to have to

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change names and things like that

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because uh you know all the legal

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mumbo-jumbo but people really want to

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know what it was like to work with the

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Warrens and I'm so blessed to be able to

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say that I did and that's really the

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primary reason why I ended up writing

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about this case that I wrote about in my

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books called dark siege

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a Connecticut family's nightmare and

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also the sequel and there's a reason I

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had to divide them as well but that's

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where I really just hit the ground

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running working with the Warrens and

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Lorne said the more that you're involved

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in work of this nature the more you're

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sensitive sensitivities will increase

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and we'll see what those turn out to be

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over time and we can get into that as

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well so I'm not sure where you want to

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go with this but um I can go down any

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any road or down any path that you'd

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like to steer me down tonight so far

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you're going right down the list I'm

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saying this is uh this is yeah this is

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awesome it's wonderful what an honor it

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must be good to have work with and and

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the whole collective the whole unit of

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people and personally I've always

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believed that uh

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you know we don't believe in and there

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are no coincidences but I always said a

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true coincidence would be or is more

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paranormal than any paranormal event

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just because you know I don't believe in

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coincidences

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so that's that's an amazing story and

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yeah you can't get any more would you

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call it it's like but it's like the law

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of attraction which you put out to the

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universe you get back yeah yeah right

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and it wasn't you know like I said when

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I when I read that book at that time I

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was not ready in my own mind in my own

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heart and I said nope not for me right

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that time so it was nineteen eating late

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nine early 1990 that just you know

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everything just came together and that

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was the way it happened but well what's

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interesting is I was actually at the

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time attending sacred art University

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right in Fairfield Bridgeport line it

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was a Catholic University and they all

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got wind that I was working with the

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Warrens and I was always interested in

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writing as a young young man I was

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writing screenplay and and things and I

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was writing for the Sacred Heart

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University spectrum newspaper a column

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called hauntings that I wrote and it was

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basically of all about the cases that we

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were investigating and so forth and and

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that was really well received by

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everybody on campus and of course they

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all know who the Warrens weren't were

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because they would go to Sacred Heart

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for their college lectures in fact I

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attended a couple of those a couple

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times and the most terrifying thing that

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they ever you know they would show

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slides you know keep in mind this is

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back in 1990s timeframe and then it

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through the 80s as well but it was all

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slides and audio cassette you know

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footage and things like that and the

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most terrifying thing was always the

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street voices that took place that was

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in a case called the Enfield voices and

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that was what Edie called it it turned

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out to be the movie about note the name

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name it was maybe it was conjuring 2 but

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it was the the case in England about the

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house in England and the the you know

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the spirits there but that was always

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the most terrifying for the students

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that were there to look at the less

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listened to the lectures and many people

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would actually walk out because they

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couldn't take it they were really

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terrified about what was going on and

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but I was always eager to go and pretty

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much participate in anything that I was

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given the opportunity to participate in

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and I can go into some of those cases in

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detail if you want I'm actually going to

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be writing about them from my own

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perspective and but I remember very

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clearly the first called the very first

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case that Lou and I went on there's

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actually interesting story I've done

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some of these shows I don't know what

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I've said in

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but so during the Monday night meeting

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the Warrens would explain the cases that

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they've become aware of asked for

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volunteers or just pretty much

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hand-picked people to go on specific

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cases and there was a case that they

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talked about that happened actually in

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Devon Connecticut and it was a newlywed

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couple they just had a baby they moved

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into a house that they purchased it was

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a small house two-story the upstairs was

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just a bathroom hallway separating two

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bedrooms and every night they said the

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spirit a full spectral Spectre would

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come through the wall of this woman

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inspector of this woman would come

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through the wall right in their bedroom

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walked down the hallway stopped in front

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of the baby's crib scare the baby out of

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its width walk through the crib and

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disappear every night like clockwork and

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I said well okay so they signed Lou and

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I to go to this case alone representing

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the Warrens

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on our very first night well that was

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Lou's second class and mine was the

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first but I was actually dumbfounded I

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was like you serious you know so we got

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to go and I borrowed my mom's camcorder

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with old VHS camcorder so again this is

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back in 90 and set it up on a tripod in

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the parents bedroom aiming at the wall

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where she would come out I drew the

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blinds

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you know lit some candles and then Lou

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and I and the husband and wife waited in

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the baby's room peering down the hallway

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waiting for this woman to come floating

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down the hallway to stop in front of the

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baby's crib well as we're all peering

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down the hallway we were looking for of

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us and it was like lightning went off it

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was like this bright bright blue violet

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flash of light like a ball of lightning

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went on like in a flash and we all just

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stared at each other with our mouths

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hanging slack saying are you did you see

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that we all saw it and about five

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minutes later we decided to walk we're

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waiting patiently for this see if you

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know this woman who's going to come down

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but nothing happened but we walked into

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the bedroom and we smelled a very

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overpowering sickly sweet almond smell

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for some reason and then nothing more

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happened so we went back into the baby's

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German

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try it again just waited patiently

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looking staring down the hallway and at

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30 minutes later exactly another flash

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of light happens when it was happens

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intense when we went into the bedroom

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the smell was happens intense and when

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we decided to call it for the evening is

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nothing more happened we put the tape in

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the VHS machine watching it and we're

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fast forwarding and fast-forwarding

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fast-forwarding seeing the candles

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flicker and so forth waiting to see this

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bright blue flash of light when we you

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know when we hit play we heard my voice

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that we've just experienced the second

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flash of light there was absolutely

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nothing on the audio I'm a video

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cassette and we were just again we're

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just pretty stunned and then Lou said

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Joanna and we're like what and it was a

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heartbeat

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sound he goes that is a diuretic

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heartbeat I think that's what he said

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and then there was another heartbeat and

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then a third type of heartbeat he

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arthritic thigh arthritic and something

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else I think those are the names so I'm

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not a medic but he was absolutely like

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ghost white nope no pun intended and to

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hear these heartbeats and we would have

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completely missed it the three of us the

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husband and wife and myself because

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we're not trained medics to listen to

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very faint heartbeats so when we went to

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the next Monday night actually dropped

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the tape off the next evening at their

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house and then we all waited for the

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following Monday where Lorraine pretty

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much explained that the woman was very

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much there present in the house but she

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wasn't going to give us the evidence

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that we were looking for on and on the

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tape but the what happened with that

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flash of light is of course it doesn't

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show up on the video cassette and she

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didn't give any explanation for that but

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other than she wasn't going to prove us

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any proof but it was the heartbeat there

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was a specific message for Lou and Lou

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alone and that scared Lou about 50% out

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of the whole yeah even getting involved

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and that really makes me you know

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chuckle inside because this poor guy is

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witnessed absolutely horrors on the

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battlefield and you know you can imagine

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what you experience as the medic he's

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told me some amazing

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to be to be afraid of hearing a

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heartbeat on a videocassette really it's

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interesting but so let me explain from

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my purse okay I didn't say anything

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going oh I thought somebody say

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something so from what I understand now

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all these many years later is that the

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same thing that happens with UFO

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phenomena the same thing happens with

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the same thing that happens with

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anything related to the paranormal is

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that one person or one individual see

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something or maybe a group well but none

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of the others in the group well or they

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all well but there's no evidence on it

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you're listening to love advice with

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Leanne caller you're on the air

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hi Leanne longtime listener first-time

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caller why in your professional opinion

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do you never take my calls off the air

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is this carleeee yep it's Carl I mean we

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had a few dates everything was great I

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thought well you know when you switch to

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Geico you could save a lot of money on

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car insurance okay awesome you should

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call them I will Geico because saving

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fifteen percent or more on car insurance

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is always a great answer physical

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instrument that's trying to record the

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events that took place in the house well

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how is this possible it's because our

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pineal gland has rods and cones it's

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been called throughout history the third

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eye or the sixth sense it's a it's a

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grain of rice or pea-sized gland in the

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center of the left and right hemispheres

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of our brains and that is what is

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photosensitive and that is what picks up

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the psychic visions and that is where

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this flash of light was projected into

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all of our minds instant instantly and

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simultaneously so when you think about

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it how is this possible and it can

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happen because when you vacate the body

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is like an insulator right when you

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vacate the body you have the ability

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these people who leave their bodies have

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the ability to hear everyone's thoughts

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all around them there's no there's no

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inflation anymore they can also project

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things right into our minds Eduardo I

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said he says hauntings always begin in

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the money and

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when you think about when you have a

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dream at night you're sleeping your eye

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lit your eyes are closed your eyelids

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are closed

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you're not even consciously united

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conscious yet you're having a full color

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you know high-definition movie image in

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your mind that's because you're able to

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opening in your through your pineal

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gland which is accessing higher

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vibrations and higher frequencies but

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and with the with the heartbeat it was

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the same thing there was never any

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physical body near enough in the

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camcorder for the camcorder to pick up a

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heartbeat

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and nor was it sensitive enough yet here

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it was we weren't even in the same room

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at this time yeah you're hearing the

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heartbeats going on so the thing that

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scared Lou out of his mind

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totally out the door was when we all

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went to Dudley town and I'm not sure

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your if you're familiar with that whole

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area but that it was absolutely very

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very fascinating and I believe that's

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when they've got the entire Blair Witch

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idea from this place are you lay with

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Dudley town uh no not okay I don't spend

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too much time into that but if they

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actually a haunted village in near

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Cornwall Connecticut all the remain

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there now our foundations but it was

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this actual whole history but you can

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research that you can look that up on

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Google or there's videos made called

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Dudley town but that was absolutely

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terrifying for Lou and he couldn't take

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it anymore but they won't even let you

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in there any more than the state police

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will actually come and throw you out if

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you end up going in there because people

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disappear it's really serious it's

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actual it's a real haunted place it's

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really actually quite dangerous to go

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into and that's a whole other story I

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was got actually gonna write a book

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about that but no I have all these books

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in the works I have six different books

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in the works right now and I'm trying to

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get you out before the the fall of this

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year and I'm actually way behind

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schedule but I have so many other

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projects going on and it's just so

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interesting to be doing what I do and so

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and then how would you like to go now

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well um the case that you wrote about

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your book

445
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what was it about the case that made you

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decide on documenting a specific one I

447
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was never going to talk about this case

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the family never wanted to talk about

449
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this case because of the back that it

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was so absolutely terrifying and so

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devastating to them and their friends

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and to their neighbors and to everybody

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involved in any way and the reason I

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ended up writing about it is because it

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was backed around 2012 early 2012 and I

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I was never a big social media guy and

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that's when I first got into Facebook

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and that's when I noticed all these

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paranormal groups I mean just one after

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the other you know with the t-shirts and

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the sunglasses and the baseball hats and

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the you know almost owner stuff and I

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said wow I said I had no idea you know

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because I've always kept to myself I've

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done my own thing I've never you know

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sought the limelight or any of that

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stuff and in fact Andrew one of my close

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friends was actually working with the

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Warrens when I first got involved he was

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actually going to be on the first ghost

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hunter show and he said I want nothing

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to do with this because it's gonna end

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up being scripted tabloid television and

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even to this day he's long the same

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mites that I am is we want to help

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people work along you know on the

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sidelines and and just do what we do so

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to you know to give you a gist real I

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have about a half hour left right or 40

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47 minutes 37 minutes yeah we take a

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hurt I break it five minutes from now

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okay

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so I try to jump I'll try to tell you

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about the brief history before I got

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involved in this case and then we can

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get involved about this case and why I

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decided write about it but when I was

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working at the Warrens I'd took me in my

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first demonic case we actually

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experienced I had my first totally

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amazing psychic experience on a case

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that we all investigated together where

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I pick up the emotion of this woman who

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had Perisher her body had perished and

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heard she went to the house because she

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was missing her child she was on her way

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to go give birth

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being rushed to the house via horse and

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wagon horse and carriage and the

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carriage went off the ridge and broke

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you know collapsed and crushed her and

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crushed the fetus the the infant baby

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and her last conscious thought was get

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to the house to deliver the baby

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well the conscious awareness that was

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going to use the body of the newborn

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baby for its particular life experience

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either never came down fusing with the

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few with the fetus or the baby when I

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was about to be born or it crossed right

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over immediately but to her the baby was

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missing and if you can imagine a woman's

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grief as she was about to go give birth

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to find babies nowhere to be found

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that grief I completely was overcome by

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and my jaw dropped and literally tears

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just streaming down my eyes and actually

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we just found the but the audio cassette

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of that entire spirit communication with

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Warren's and six other associates and I

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actually was the one that drove us up

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there but that changed my life

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completely because it made me realize

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that the grief and the sorrow and the

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sadness that some of these people there

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are people just like you or I who

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vacated the physical body when the body

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is no longer able to function but

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they're still very much alive because we

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are eternal and the grief of this woman

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felt it changed my life and it made me

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want to help these people in any way

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that I can in fact it even affected me

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on the way home in the next day when I

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was writing about it for the column for

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the newspaper to the point where I was

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just you know obsessed with getting back

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to the house to help this poor woman but

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after that I went out to college in

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Washington State to pursue my English

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creative writing degree and while I was

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out there the warrants Laureen asked me

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to investigate a case in Idaho I was in

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eastern Washington - it was just you

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know good 40 minutes across the border

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and that was fascinating but then we had

547
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the warrants flown out to Eastern

548
00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:29,140
Washington University to do their

549
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:30,760
college lecture and I took the my

550
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:32,820
fraternity house and we went all across

551
00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:35,770
Spokane and the surrounding area and

552
00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:37,390
then the haunted places on campus and

553
00:23:42,029 --> 00:23:38,590
that created

554
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,039
Shabazz that I actually started I formed

555
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:43,840
the Northwest Society for paranormal

556
00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:45,610
research to mirror their northeast

557
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:47,740
that's when I started actually teaching

558
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:51,010
classes about this stuff and that was a

559
00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:53,080
lot of fun and really really rewarding

560
00:23:57,419 --> 00:23:54,940
but then it's when I started actually

561
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,429
putting ads in the paper for people to

562
00:24:01,980 --> 00:23:59,440
be able to you know call me for help if

563
00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:01,990
they're looking for help with a haunting

564
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,750
situation that they may have that was

565
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,919
incredible and I started actually

566
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:08,559
relaying information and picking things

567
00:24:12,029 --> 00:24:10,570
up and I caught picking it up because I

568
00:24:12,899 --> 00:24:12,039
didn't hear anything I didn't see

569
00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:12,909
anything

570
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:16,510
it was just a knowing in my mind like

571
00:24:19,649 --> 00:24:18,010
knowing a name or knowing why this

572
00:24:23,789 --> 00:24:19,659
individual didn't cross over or that

573
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:23,799
sort of thing and that was something

574
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:30,419
that was completely fulfilling but I

575
00:24:33,090 --> 00:24:32,110
think we were cutting out there I

576
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:33,100
couldn't really hear what you're saying

577
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,090
oh no it's about it's about to take our

578
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first commercial break um our first

579
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commercial break you were listening to

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pair of Russell universe on the

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inception radio network welcome back to

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Jennifer Malik and we're chatting with

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Peres Logan and author Jason and cloud

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before we bring him back on like to take

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minutes thank everybody who makes pair

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course to God for granting us this

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wonderful spell an opportunity here to

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be with you although the segment is

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demonologists terms like Paige and of

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course the northern Wisconsin Paranormal

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Society limited like age we have two

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group pages worth noting late

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monstrosity which is the largest group

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he on Facebook for a quiet

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Suri's and lake monsters and finally

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ultimate conspiracy which is much

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self-explanatory questions for our guest

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go to iron cat Tom I've iron chat room

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where you can post questions and make

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comments and Jenny will pass those along

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next week on para versa universe we will

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be talking to you follow gist and

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publisher of UFO truth magazine Gary

615
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Heseltine really looking forward to that

616
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oh okay bring her back on yeah Jason you

617
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:34,820
still with us I am you were discussing

618
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your book and we had asked you

619
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:40,810
specifically why you had chosen at

620
00:26:48,130 --> 00:26:46,370
specific story right so I was never

621
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:48,140
going to talk about this case the family

622
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:49,970
didn't want to talk about it I became

623
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:51,230
aware of all the different Facebook

624
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:53,690
groups out there that you know all the

625
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:55,970
different paranormal groups and I said

626
00:26:58,210 --> 00:26:57,230
I've worked with the pioneers of the

627
00:27:00,220 --> 00:26:58,220
entire field

628
00:27:02,110 --> 00:27:00,230
you know the whole modern ghost

629
00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:02,120
investigation craze that thrives today

630
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:06,350
and I said you know the second reason

631
00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:09,410
was is because of the rampant increase

632
00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:11,900
in Ouija board use and that was always

633
00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:19,180
dead warrants my mentor and friends most

634
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,620
interesting warning was that the Ouija

635
00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:23,120
board is the most dangerous piece of

636
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:24,950
negative occult paraphernalia there is

637
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:28,880
and I have to agree with them because

638
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:30,650
every time that I've ever become aware

639
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:32,290
of a case that has existed

640
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:37,910
we're obviously preternatural entities

641
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:40,160
were infesting people's homes and

642
00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:43,190
causing things to happen in a way that

643
00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:45,020
would boggle most people's minds unless

644
00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:48,680
they witness it themselves that is

645
00:27:52,510 --> 00:27:50,630
absolutely true and it was actually

646
00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:52,520
absolutely true in this case that I

647
00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:55,340
wrote about that I call dark siege of

648
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:57,260
Connecticut family's nightmare when I

649
00:28:00,790 --> 00:27:58,970
graduated college I came back to

650
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Connecticut and I put it Flyers all over

651
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:03,170
the place living in Westport but I put

652
00:28:05,860 --> 00:28:04,730
fliers all over the place for a seminar

653
00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:05,870
called transcend

654
00:28:14,410 --> 00:28:10,540
I was putting on at the Westport in and

655
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:14,420
the family found actually a family

656
00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:16,850
friend found one of these fliers in fact

657
00:28:22,330 --> 00:28:20,420
it was actually in a newspaper that the

658
00:28:25,299 --> 00:28:22,340
family found while they were in the

659
00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:25,309
diner desperate to find help they didn't

660
00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:26,990
ever hear about the Warrens they had no

661
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:28,700
interest in ghosts and no interest in

662
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:30,890
the paranormal they weren't you know

663
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:33,890
religious really at all they you know

664
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,110
they described themselves as non

665
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:39,200
practicing Christians but this case was

666
00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:43,190
so absolutely devastating for this

667
00:28:49,570 --> 00:28:45,620
family because they did everything wrong

668
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:49,580
at the absolute worst time and I decided

669
00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:50,780
I was going to write about it I was

670
00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:52,190
gonna use my creative writing degree

671
00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:56,660
that I'd recently earned and was going

672
00:29:01,120 --> 00:28:58,760
to write about this case in a true crime

673
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:01,130
novel Stephen King asked horror fiction

674
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:04,130
format meaning it was very detailed it

675
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:06,110
was very descriptive I'm very good about

676
00:29:11,470 --> 00:29:08,690
writing about weather and about you know

677
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:11,480
I paint a scene and people described it

678
00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:13,790
as a cinematic writing style and it's

679
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:16,160
done remarkably well for two reasons and

680
00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:17,929
I'll get into those reasons after I

681
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:19,940
explain the the horrific nature of the

682
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:23,270
case but this was a case that happened

683
00:29:28,540 --> 00:29:26,660
back in 93 and it was a six year old

684
00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:28,550
girl and her mother who were happen to

685
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:30,200
be driving by one of the most haunted

686
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:32,090
cemeteries in all of New England if not

687
00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:34,970
the world called Union cemetery and it's

688
00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:36,590
actually where Ed Warren filmed the

689
00:29:43,870 --> 00:29:41,929
white lady where a spectral form called

690
00:29:46,419 --> 00:29:43,880
red eyes as didn't photograph them and

691
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:46,429
filmed on many occasions but they had no

692
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,230
interest in cemeteries they have no

693
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:49,520
interest in ghosts it was actually a

694
00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:53,270
very stormy afternoon October 20

695
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,600
timeframe and 93 very storming the

696
00:30:02,169 --> 00:29:59,120
classic you know driving by a cemetery

697
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,179
well the mother was you know just joking

698
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,440
with the six-year-old daughter who was

699
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:05,360
buckled into the back seat on the right

700
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:08,150
hand side you know be very watchful

701
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,130
Kelly maybe we'll sneak ghosts you know

702
00:30:13,299 --> 00:30:11,600
and she said that's scary you know she

703
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:13,309
wasn't you know happy about that at all

704
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,690
because the rain was coming down the

705
00:30:17,410 --> 00:30:15,679
leaves are blowing all over the place

706
00:30:19,299 --> 00:30:17,420
but then she was actually looking for it

707
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:19,309
and my

708
00:30:23,529 --> 00:30:20,840
was an artist which makes her a natural

709
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:23,539
sensitive and little Kelly ended up

710
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:31,070
being very sensitive but no but and are

711
00:30:37,749 --> 00:30:35,679
you still there we are okay I I lost my

712
00:30:46,659 --> 00:30:37,759
sound system here for a second but

713
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:46,669
anyway I'm sitting in my carpeting that

714
00:30:52,269 --> 00:30:50,330
good stuff signal here on the stick in

715
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:52,279
Connecticut anyway she was actually

716
00:31:01,539 --> 00:30:56,720
seeing a form walk daddy where do babies

717
00:31:04,749 --> 00:31:01,549
come from well honey mommy went to the

718
00:31:07,930 --> 00:31:04,759
store oh well you see um well there's a

719
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:07,940
mommy and a daddy right and see when

720
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:11,360
they call Geico they could save a bunch

721
00:31:15,129 --> 00:31:12,409
of money on car insurance

722
00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:15,139
oh really and that makes I'm happy yes

723
00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:17,480
that makes them very happy that's good

724
00:31:20,619 --> 00:31:19,639
yeah well I'm glad we could have this

725
00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:20,629
talk sunshine

726
00:31:25,239 --> 00:31:23,480
Geico because saving 15% or more on car

727
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:25,249
insurance is always a great answer

728
00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:28,129
through the gravestones toward the car

729
00:31:35,739 --> 00:31:32,299
walk through the wrought iron fence up

730
00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:35,749
toward the car and follow the car

731
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:44,320
was actually quite frightened about the

732
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,460
storm and came up be right up to the

733
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:50,480
back of the window and scared to the

734
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:52,220
death and she screamed and mom cut the

735
00:31:56,019 --> 00:31:54,169
wheel and sliding on the slick leaves

736
00:31:57,879 --> 00:31:56,029
and she almost had an accident so forth

737
00:32:00,999 --> 00:31:57,889
mean classic horror horror story right

738
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:01,009
there but when mom questioned her and

739
00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:02,210
asked you know why in the world are you

740
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:03,740
screaming and she was trying to explain

741
00:32:08,379 --> 00:32:07,129
how she saw the ghost she judged her

742
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:08,389
rational mind said there's no such

743
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:09,769
things as ghosts guy said no it just

744
00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:13,070
then ghosts and she insisted that there

745
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:14,899
were ghosts of course because she saw

746
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:17,840
one and it wasn't until the next morning

747
00:32:22,989 --> 00:32:21,679
that mom herself actually when the kids

748
00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:22,999
were at school and her husband of the

749
00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:25,720
work president was a real estate broker

750
00:32:32,109 --> 00:32:29,480
totally got brain scientific type of

751
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:32,119
individual who had no capacity to even

752
00:32:34,959 --> 00:32:32,929
register the

753
00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:34,969
give me anything of a spiritual nature

754
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:37,580
that existed but she herself experienced

755
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:40,009
this same form that Kelly described

756
00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:43,609
earlier to her in the kitchen and it

757
00:32:47,289 --> 00:32:45,409
wasn't until the 16 year old brother and

758
00:32:50,619 --> 00:32:47,299
his two best friends got off the bus

759
00:32:52,539 --> 00:32:50,629
later that afternoon and saw this man

760
00:32:54,339 --> 00:32:52,549
when they're inside saw this form

761
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,349
walking on the outside perimeter of

762
00:33:00,219 --> 00:32:57,440
their yard and when they run ran out

763
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:00,229
onto the back lawn to confront him it

764
00:33:04,779 --> 00:33:03,529
was actually snowing and very early

765
00:33:09,489 --> 00:33:04,789
winter that year which was really

766
00:33:10,719 --> 00:33:09,499
bizarre but um he completely vanished

767
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,729
without trace and when they looked back

768
00:33:16,539 --> 00:33:13,039
the sliding glass door closed on them

769
00:33:17,950 --> 00:33:16,549
and when they finally got back to the

770
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:17,960
house and got inside they started

771
00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:19,159
experiencing things that they couldn't

772
00:33:22,269 --> 00:33:20,929
explain right there it was actually

773
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:22,279
trying to make contact and cause

774
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:26,049
problems for them but they were

775
00:33:31,089 --> 00:33:29,570
absolutely frightened out of their minds

776
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:31,099
at one point and they decided they would

777
00:33:39,639 --> 00:33:34,190
go and buy a Ouija board at the Trumbull

778
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:39,649
MA thank you well they knew right run

779
00:33:42,940 --> 00:33:41,450
one voice that that is really stupid

780
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:42,950
idea and the other ones that those

781
00:33:46,419 --> 00:33:44,809
things are stupid they don't work the

782
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:46,429
other one said well why not what do we

783
00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:48,409
have to lose so they didn't know I mean

784
00:33:51,849 --> 00:33:49,940
again they weren't they didn't study any

785
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:51,859
of this they know it did no interesting

786
00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:53,690
that they were just typical being back

787
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:55,309
then it really wasn't that much of a

788
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:57,710
craze about all these ghosts and they

789
00:34:00,940 --> 00:33:59,210
were certainly weren't any television

790
00:34:04,239 --> 00:34:00,950
show it was just pretty much the Warrens

791
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:04,249
and that was it but can they were pretty

792
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:07,369
low-key as well so and now it's just out

793
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:11,450
of control so he went to the mall and

794
00:34:15,549 --> 00:34:12,889
they brought the Ouija board home and

795
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:15,559
they actually had a very amazing what I

796
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:17,960
would determined to be angelic or a

797
00:34:24,819 --> 00:34:22,250
guide spirit guide encounter right there

798
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,829
was in the form of this elderly woman

799
00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:26,720
just standing right there when they were

800
00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:28,190
deciding whether or not to buy the

801
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:30,500
shelves where she says boys do

802
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:32,089
yourselves a favor and put that back on

803
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:34,700
the shelf and they're just looking at

804
00:34:39,309 --> 00:34:36,470
each other giggling and when they look

805
00:34:41,769 --> 00:34:39,319
back she's gone and they're all on the

806
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:41,779
track team and Tyler actually ran out of

807
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:43,399
the store trying to find this lady and

808
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:45,379
she was nowhere to be found and when he

809
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:46,780
got back to his friend Nate

810
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:48,760
vodka spot the Ouija board and the store

811
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,620
was closing you know that the metal

812
00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:52,000
grate was down it was at the mall and

813
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:53,980
they were like you know too late we

814
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:55,210
already have it so they went back to the

815
00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:59,410
house and used it and started you know

816
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:01,570
the typical thing right where they use

817
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:04,840
the board and it moves a bit and looking

818
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:06,340
each other all scared and the other guys

819
00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:08,170
you know giggles and says okay I moved

820
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:09,820
it or so forth and just making the big

821
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:11,080
joke that I get is a game because that's

822
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:13,330
when it's sold out of the game but it's

823
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:16,300
nothing it's not a game and it was made

824
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:18,760
in manufactured in of all places Salem

825
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:20,440
Massachusetts and television that's what

826
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:22,210
Parker Brothers was and if you look at

827
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:23,850
the Parker Brothers logo by the way

828
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:28,480
Google that the freaking vortex right

829
00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:31,270
yeah they know what they're doing right

830
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:35,860
oh yeah absolutely absolutely so anyway

831
00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:38,410
they used the board they got completely

832
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:40,660
freaked out and then the elder sister

833
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:42,130
came home and they tried to tell her

834
00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:43,330
that they were communicating with the

835
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:46,420
ghost it was after Kelly and she said he

836
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:49,120
you know she was a 1 year older but you

837
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,890
know two 16 year old 1 years as a

838
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:53,440
teacher but you know she was scolding

839
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:55,180
I'm saying don't you dare say a word of

840
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,530
this to Kelly or anything like that or

841
00:36:00,420 --> 00:35:58,480
chill you know and she's like you know

842
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:00,430
that's a bunch of BS and when they

843
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:04,300
actually were in bed classic three

844
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:06,190
o'clock in the morning and there's a

845
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:08,260
reason behind that of course god I feel

846
00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:09,430
like we're so pressed for time I'm

847
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:11,080
trying to really rush through this stuff

848
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:15,310
but it was an absolute horror show that

849
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:18,310
very evening and the older sister Sarah

850
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:21,370
witnessed it and she they were terrified

851
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:22,750
out of their minds and that is pretty

852
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:25,270
much they issued all the wrongs all the

853
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:26,620
wrong statements all the wrong

854
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:29,380
challenges at all the wrong times and

855
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:31,090
there's you know chances are things like

856
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:32,470
this aren't going to happen to the

857
00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:34,150
average family obviously because I did

858
00:36:39,090 --> 00:36:36,820
be so well known and there'd be so

859
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:39,100
frequent but if you open the wrong door

860
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:43,440
at the wrong time and the wrong things

861
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,940
are on the other side of that doorway or

862
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:48,640
gateway or Stargate or portal or vortex

863
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:50,980
that ever you want to call it and they

864
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:53,350
come through and they basically accept

865
00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:54,010
your challenge

866
00:36:58,650 --> 00:36:57,670
Edwin always says it cannot interfere in

867
00:37:00,090 --> 00:36:58,660
your life unless you give them

868
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:00,100
permission to and it could be something

869
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:00,700
as simple as

870
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:02,920
prove to me exist or show me what you

871
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:05,920
look like or you know take me on or some

872
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:07,150
like that whenever you're inviting them

873
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:09,190
and your awareness that's what that's

874
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:11,410
how this whole thing began and if they

875
00:37:14,609 --> 00:37:12,790
never played with the Ouija board and

876
00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:14,619
all we had to deal with was the spirit

877
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:15,940
of a man who was a very negative

878
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:18,960
individual but just still as human

879
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:21,490
consciousness it would have been so much

880
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,170
easier to handle this in a very

881
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:25,359
compassionate loving way and to talk to

882
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:27,400
the talk this man into going on instead

883
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:29,380
of staying here earthbound but because

884
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:31,690
they flung those doors wide open this

885
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:35,250
was the most horrific case of demonic

886
00:37:41,339 --> 00:37:38,650
diabolical infestation oppression and

887
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:41,349
possession and exorcism that I've ever

888
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:43,990
witnessed in my life and I said I have

889
00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:46,390
to tell this tale in a way that's going

890
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:49,180
to warn the teenagers about Ouija board

891
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:50,650
use because that's what everybody starts

892
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:52,390
to delve into them you know late you

893
00:37:57,539 --> 00:37:54,670
know early adolescence early teen years

894
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:57,549
and you think you're invincible you

895
00:38:01,170 --> 00:37:58,690
think you know it all you think

896
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:01,180
nothing's going to affect you and that

897
00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:05,049
it's all you know just hocus-pocus but

898
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:08,859
it's not and family to this day does not

899
00:38:12,210 --> 00:38:10,030
want to go call the guide paranormal

900
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,220
witness call me wanted to basically have

901
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:15,520
everybody on got this case but the

902
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:17,260
reason they don't want to is because

903
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:19,930
what happened the second round and I had

904
00:38:22,829 --> 00:38:21,430
to release it in two different volumes

905
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,839
because one it would have been an

906
00:38:27,089 --> 00:38:25,359
800-page book and I would have been a

907
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:27,099
really tough sell for somebody who's a

908
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:31,089
self publisher and especially when I

909
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:35,260
wasn't known at the time and plus what

910
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:38,410
happened I wrote the first book as a

911
00:38:45,539 --> 00:38:40,660
warning to teenagers first and foremost

912
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,549
for housewives for families and to help

913
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:46,960
them understand that this lack of

914
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:48,430
communication that took played a

915
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:50,440
different family between the husband and

916
00:38:56,789 --> 00:38:52,780
wife between the the parents and the

917
00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:56,799
children between the kids themselves was

918
00:39:00,720 --> 00:38:59,230
absolutely the worst the big thing that

919
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:00,730
could have done because nobody knew what

920
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:02,440
was going on things were happening to

921
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,150
everybody simultaneously if they only

922
00:39:09,539 --> 00:39:06,400
talked about it they would have maybe

923
00:39:11,339 --> 00:39:09,549
made it easier on themselves but it

924
00:39:13,319 --> 00:39:11,349
involved the possession of one of the

925
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:13,329
family members that involved exorcism it

926
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:14,630
involved possession

927
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:17,690
rushon an exorcism it involves a process

928
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:19,430
called Susu mitigation which is what I

929
00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:21,170
performed in the house of the exorcism

930
00:39:27,339 --> 00:39:24,920
the taking place can it was devastating

931
00:39:29,259 --> 00:39:27,349
for their for their neighbors for the

932
00:39:31,569 --> 00:39:29,269
family friends for these percerin's

933
00:39:33,999 --> 00:39:31,579
boyfriend for the clergy for the

934
00:39:36,579 --> 00:39:34,009
investigators for the psychics for the I

935
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:36,589
mean it was just absolutely horrific and

936
00:39:41,769 --> 00:39:39,049
the reason I wrote the second book is a

937
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:41,779
separate volume is because for 18 and up

938
00:39:46,269 --> 00:39:44,720
is because of the graphic sexual attacks

939
00:39:48,579 --> 00:39:46,279
that took place on two of the teenage

940
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:48,589
boys one was a Incubus attack and one

941
00:39:55,329 --> 00:39:51,470
was a succubus attack one was straight

942
00:39:57,549 --> 00:39:55,339
one was gay and she's demonic entities

943
00:39:59,950 --> 00:39:57,559
they'll go after you based on what you

944
00:40:03,549 --> 00:39:59,960
are you know who you are who and what

945
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:03,559
you're attracted to to weave their way

946
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:05,930
into your life and then make you pay and

947
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:10,400
make them pay they did and it was poor

948
00:40:16,509 --> 00:40:13,910
so chance you know what happened in that

949
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:16,519
case is very rare but it devastated the

950
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:21,890
lives of consisting people and maybe

951
00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:23,450
eventually they'll want to talk about it

952
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:24,920
they agreed to talk about it with their

953
00:40:29,019 --> 00:40:26,930
you know with their identities masked

954
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:29,029
and things like that because with

955
00:40:33,309 --> 00:40:31,730
recognition basically what happened is

956
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:33,319
after it was resolved the first time

957
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:34,700
without giving anything away or any of

958
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:37,250
the details is we told them don't talk

959
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:39,380
about it don't think about it right

960
00:40:44,799 --> 00:40:41,470
don't even let it enter your mind

961
00:40:47,289 --> 00:40:44,809
because giving these things recognition

962
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,299
through quantum mechanics through

963
00:40:52,329 --> 00:40:50,000
entanglement we're all connected anyway

964
00:40:54,730 --> 00:40:52,339
and most people don't even know how to

965
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:54,740
separate or sever the connections or cut

966
00:41:00,249 --> 00:40:58,250
the cords between people let alone an

967
00:41:02,769 --> 00:41:00,259
entity that's never walked the earth in

968
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:02,779
human form that is existing outside of

969
00:41:10,269 --> 00:41:06,319
the laws of physics that we know they

970
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:10,279
came right back and you know ruined it

971
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:12,500
was twice as devastating it and readers

972
00:41:16,509 --> 00:41:14,690
have said both books by the way are

973
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:16,519
required reading for Bishop James Long's

974
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:18,470
demonology class you know the teaching

975
00:41:24,999 --> 00:41:20,990
the demonology study but my books are

976
00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:25,009
called dark siege dar ksi ege a

977
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:27,109
Connecticut family's nightmare which is

978
00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:28,490
the subtitle

979
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:30,320
Siegel's dark siege to the nightmare

980
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:34,910
returns because return that did and you

981
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:36,890
can find them on my website including

982
00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:41,210
the first chapter of each book in its

983
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,220
entirety to read for free dark siege

984
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:45,680
calm now what makes the book so

985
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,050
fascinating and so well received is

986
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:49,760
because the way I wrote it as a true

987
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:51,740
crime novel Stephen King asked or a

988
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:55,520
fiction format but each book as a 100

989
00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:57,530
page chapter by chapter analysis where I

990
00:42:01,600 --> 00:41:58,910
explained much of what we've discussed

991
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:01,610
tonight how I met the Warrens my beliefs

992
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:03,530
growing up my spiritual beliefs and so

993
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:06,050
forth my first several cases and

994
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:07,880
breaking down all the activity in each

995
00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:10,430
chapter explaining why these things

996
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:12,860
happen the science and spirituality

997
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:14,810
behind the paranormal pretty much why

998
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:16,280
these things happen to some people and

999
00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:19,130
not others what the family did right and

1000
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:20,420
wrong every step of the way in each

1001
00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:22,010
chapter by breaking down the activity

1002
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:23,750
and explaining what other people have

1003
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:26,660
done in these situations by referencing

1004
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:28,310
some of the very well-known cases and

1005
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:31,400
some cases that aren't well known I was

1006
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:34,270
involved in warrens were involved in

1007
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:37,550
that I knew about because I was studying

1008
00:42:42,250 --> 00:42:39,980
under them but to help people really

1009
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:42,260
understand why these things happen but

1010
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:44,540
most importantly how to protect yourself

1011
00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:46,310
how to understand that we are intimately

1012
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:48,380
and permanently connected to our Creator

1013
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:50,570
we have the light and the love of the

1014
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:53,570
creator as our core source of energy

1015
00:42:57,970 --> 00:42:55,730
when you know that you believe that and

1016
00:42:59,260 --> 00:42:57,980
you understand the most important

1017
00:43:01,120 --> 00:42:59,270
message I have for everybody I call

1018
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,130
myself a double agent because I go to

1019
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:03,200
these conventions huge conventions like

1020
00:43:07,930 --> 00:43:05,030
scare fest and horror fest and all the

1021
00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:07,940
comic conventions and kairkhan and

1022
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,980
whatever name you can pick up there's

1023
00:43:14,650 --> 00:43:11,359
there's been a convention that I penned

1024
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:14,660
it but it's a I have a great table

1025
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:16,190
display and I sell my books and I talk

1026
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:17,480
to people and I try to help them

1027
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:19,940
understand if you want real paranormal

1028
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:21,770
and you want to read a real story about

1029
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:23,450
what happened to this average American

1030
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:25,460
family who had no interest in the

1031
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:29,420
paranormal at all here you go but I call

1032
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:32,150
myself a double agent because I present

1033
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:35,090
a terrifying ordeal to people who are

1034
00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:37,100
hungry for horror and terror and things

1035
00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:39,590
like that but it's the analysis section

1036
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:41,750
that is information that they would

1037
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:42,350
never

1038
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:44,990
go out and seek themselves by the law of

1039
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:46,750
attraction for instance the law of

1040
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:49,220
intention or conscious manifestation and

1041
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:50,870
how these things can come about and how

1042
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,950
your thoughts and your your feelings and

1043
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:57,440
your emotion can actually dictate what

1044
00:44:01,090 --> 00:43:59,570
happens to you and this this experience

1045
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:01,100
but and then get into what this

1046
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:03,770
experience really is all about and then

1047
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:06,530
but also how love is the highest

1048
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:08,840
frequency of them all and fear is the

1049
00:44:14,350 --> 00:44:12,050
lowest and love will conquer darkness

1050
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,360
every single time if you stand on your

1051
00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:16,160
own power know that you're protected by

1052
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,550
the Creator through your core radiating

1053
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:21,920
love from your heart and being in heart

1054
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:25,130
centered awareness and being a kind and

1055
00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:27,710
compassionate individual radiating love

1056
00:44:31,660 --> 00:44:29,840
from your heart is the opposite of what

1057
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,670
they want they want you to be terrorized

1058
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:33,920
and full of fear and depression and

1059
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:37,640
helplessness and they want to crack your

1060
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:41,090
your your aural your auric field your

1061
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:42,830
emotional body and your emotional body

1062
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:45,350
and your spiritual body and how that is

1063
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:47,240
so very important as far as our own

1064
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:50,570
protection and and and so forth going

1065
00:44:53,830 --> 00:44:52,250
into there any places for instance or

1066
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,840
just even being in a situation where

1067
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:55,760
there's actually spirits around or

1068
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,200
demonic entities around a contra bit but

1069
00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:02,000
it helps empower people to understand

1070
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,520
why these things happen how how you can

1071
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:06,560
make sure they don't happen to you or to

1072
00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:09,110
anyone you love and what to do about it

1073
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:12,320
if it does happen and like I said bishop

1074
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:14,060
long it's made the books required

1075
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:17,510
reading for his demonology study and I

1076
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:19,370
was on coast to coast am about this case

1077
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:20,810
twice actually the first time he

1078
00:45:24,250 --> 00:45:22,730
actually was on by himself I mean he

1079
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,260
said we have to tell people about this

1080
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:26,720
this book series and that's a great

1081
00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:28,760
endorsement he would he's a spiritual

1082
00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:29,900
warrior if there ever was one

1083
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:33,320
but I've been blessed to work with

1084
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:36,140
amazing people and I have so many other

1085
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:37,640
books in the works in fact that to you

1086
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:40,700
coming out just before Halloween this

1087
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:43,550
year and I know we're running short

1088
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:45,970
but anyway again it's dark siege

1089
00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:48,890
Academy's nightmare dark siege to the

1090
00:45:53,950 --> 00:45:52,220
nightmare returns at dark siege calm if

1091
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:53,960
you go on Amazon you can see I have over

1092
00:45:59,300 --> 00:45:56,280
170 reviews are almost all five

1093
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,310
ratings I encourage you if you want an

1094
00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:01,200
autographed copy to get it to my website

1095
00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:03,390
because I find it autograph it

1096
00:46:08,570 --> 00:46:06,350
personalized and we'll mail it out

1097
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:08,580
anybody wants an autographed copy that's

1098
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:09,510
the way to go

1099
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:14,880
but take questions at this point or well

1100
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:17,250
the questions we have are so varied in

1101
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,330
the camera we were we have a couple of

1102
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:23,280
your photos up and in people skating and

1103
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,870
whatnot um you I do want to ask you do

1104
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:29,040
you believe there's a spiritual

1105
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:33,060
awakening going absolutely yeah

1106
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:36,270
it's everything is vibration everything

1107
00:46:42,380 --> 00:46:39,870
is vibration everybody is there

1108
00:46:45,350 --> 00:46:42,390
frequency is raising if you want to

1109
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:45,360
really accelerate the process meditate

1110
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:47,910
right surround here's the here's a quick

1111
00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:49,890
meditation you ready this is what I

1112
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:52,470
talked about everybody that I comes to

1113
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:54,630
my table especially anybody children

1114
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:56,670
women who tell me how their kids do

1115
00:47:01,160 --> 00:46:58,170
something like that so everybody close

1116
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,170
your eyes take a deep breath obviously

1117
00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:03,780
or two but visualize a golden golf

1118
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:05,790
ball-sized field of energy in your

1119
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:08,370
hearts and know this is the creator's

1120
00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:10,710
light and the creator's love for you

1121
00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:14,780
it's I called to God spark and just

1122
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:16,590
something that you're completely

1123
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:18,390
connected to at all times you can never

1124
00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:20,790
not be connected to the Creator because

1125
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,820
I like in the Creator to the brilliant

1126
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:25,920
glowing radiant Sun and we're all sparks

1127
00:47:30,590 --> 00:47:27,930
cast off in that creator we have that

1128
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:30,600
spark within us at our core it is our

1129
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:34,410
energy field as our our cheese our prana

1130
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:38,040
it's our life force energy so the god of

1131
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,980
the creator of the universe is within

1132
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,200
all right the kingdom of heaven is

1133
00:47:46,310 --> 00:47:44,880
within I and the father are one that's

1134
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:46,320
what those things come from so I'm

1135
00:47:49,610 --> 00:47:47,630
talking I'm not talking about any

1136
00:47:50,570 --> 00:47:49,620
spirituality or not any organized

1137
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:50,580
religion but I'm talking about

1138
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:53,070
spirituality a connectedness that we all

1139
00:47:56,170 --> 00:47:54,630
are now beginning to understand and

1140
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:56,180
that's be waking I'm trying to explain

1141
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,650
visualize this golden field of light in

1142
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:00,780
your heart start doing spanned to the

1143
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:03,660
size of the baseball it's growing

1144
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,180
further and inside of the basketball the

1145
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:07,920
medicine ball it's completely

1146
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:10,170
surrounding you in a perfect

1147
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,890
fear of brilliant golden light and just

1148
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:15,599
visualize this brilliant golden light

1149
00:48:21,259 --> 00:48:19,440
and say I am the love of God I am the

1150
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:21,269
light of God manifested on this earth

1151
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,369
and we all are nobodies any more special

1152
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:25,619
than anybody else we're all part of the

1153
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:28,140
same substance you can be a heart

1154
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,690
centered individual meaning you're

1155
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:32,400
resonating and heart centered awareness

1156
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:35,150
meaning that you respect all life right

1157
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:38,099
from the smallest insect to the to the

1158
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,260
greatest form that you can imagine and

1159
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:43,200
you're kind to one another and you

1160
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:46,049
respect one another the thing will

1161
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:47,819
spiral out of control and that's that's

1162
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:52,140
the end of this control network that has

1163
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:53,970
been keeping humanity enslaved forever

1164
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:56,760
keeping us full of fear keeping us under

1165
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,260
the illusion that we're separate from

1166
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:00,240
one another you know whether it's race

1167
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,960
or gender or nationality or any of those

1168
00:49:07,339 --> 00:49:05,339
things

1169
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,349
they're all just subdivisions they're

1170
00:49:12,019 --> 00:49:10,079
all just basically tribal mentality us

1171
00:49:14,029 --> 00:49:12,029
versus them we're all on this together

1172
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:14,039
we're all connected all life is

1173
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,220
connected to this this web invisible web

1174
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:19,319
that is beyond our perception that

1175
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:20,910
connects everybody in the entire

1176
00:49:27,499 --> 00:49:25,319
multiverse together to our Creator and

1177
00:49:30,019 --> 00:49:27,509
that is the power that I've always felt

1178
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,029
and that's why I felt I was never going

1179
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:32,160
to be harmed walking in my first amount

1180
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,140
of case that Ed Warren took me on all

1181
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:36,000
those years ago why I've never been

1182
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:38,700
attacked and and how this has helped me

1183
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:41,700
especially in volume 2 of dark siege to

1184
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:44,700
push these entities right outside of my

1185
00:49:48,769 --> 00:49:47,250
awareness right out of my car and off

1186
00:49:50,359 --> 00:49:48,779
the property altogether because that's

1187
00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:50,369
how powerful we really are but you have

1188
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:55,109
to believe it you have to know it it's

1189
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:00,119
awesome and well said I do welcome and

1190
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:03,420
thank you so much taking time out of

1191
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,630
your schedule to come chat with us I

1192
00:50:12,279 --> 00:50:09,119
know how it goes by quick but we really

1193
00:50:16,819 --> 00:50:12,289
do appreciate the time you spent with us

1194
00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:16,829
and we definitely would like to have you

1195
00:50:22,009 --> 00:50:18,779
back on in the future because you can't

1196
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:22,019
cover all this time there I appreciate

1197
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:23,700
the opportunity to beyond

1198
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:29,220
your your home so next week we have as I

1199
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:33,510
said ufologist very Hesseltine publisher

1200
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:38,160
and you college us with UFO truth

1201
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:39,650
magazine

1202
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:46,800
so join us for that to the to the

1203
00:50:50,359 --> 00:50:48,510
believe it of evidence is overwhelming

1204
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:50,369
into the skeptic there will never be

1205
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:51,170
enough

1206
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,640
thank you everyone god bless you have a